you had reporting on the nsa. they were one of the biggest papers, one of the two papers alongside the guardian to issue the leaks. you had editorial pages saying, hold on, we have to stop these leaks. i think as long as there's an adaptation to what the american public wants, then, yeah. >> but i'm not sure that -- so, i hear you on what the american public wants, but that always makes me a little bit nervous, only because part of what we choose from is a menu of options that are there. and so, this is part of some of the independent media piece, right, to the extent that independent media gets squeezed, i'm not sure that people are making -- it's like, the american public wants reality tv. well, no, reality television is what's on. so you pick which one of them you want. i guess that's my only concern, do we even have on our menu, independent, long-form sort of deep, in-depth journalism? >> we do, if we seek it. the reality is, and i think, you know, the rise of buzz feed exemplifies this, and also in some ways